[IPython-dev] easy_install ipython==dev
Fernando.Perez at colorado.edu
Wed Feb 1 12:19:59 CST 2006
Robert Kern wrote:
> It's an ez_setup.py bootstrap problem, not a real setuptools issue. Getting the
> setuptools source and "python setup.py install"ing it works fine. After that,
> anything else using setuptools should work fine with Python 2.5. Yet one more
> reason not to use ez_setup.py, but not a reason to avoid setuptools itself.
Note that I've never said "let's avoid setuptools". In fact, I've recently
spent a fair amount of time (including bugging you on the phone) making sure
that we _do_ support eggs as best we can.
I just don't trust the tools, so I want to make sure that we keep them well
sandboxed, so they can't cause havoc on a normal plain-distutils install by
accident (like the matplotlib setup.py did, thanks to a poorly written
It would be nice to have a setuptools 'proper usage' list. I guess it
includes things like:
* avoid ez_setup like the plague
* write your setup.py so it never uses setuptools.py unless explicitly requested.
But I don't know if that addresses all the eggs use cases. Putting this
explicitly on our wiki would be a good thing. I say _our_ wiki, because the
setuptools one is way over-enthusiastic in recommending ezsetup, and from past
experience, simply oversells the whole thing, so I don't want to rely on their
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