[Numpy-discussion] Re: [SciPy-user] [SciPy-dev] Long live to numpy (and its list as well)

Colin J. Williams cjw at sympatico.ca
Thu Jan 5 10:11:12 CST 2006


Fernando Perez wrote:

> Joe Harrington wrote:
>
>> Francesc Altet on scipy-dev:
>>
>>
>>> Now that numpy is dead and we all want a long life to numpy, what
>>> about moving discussions in this list into the venerable:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "numpy-discussion <numpy-discussion at lists.sourceforge.net>"
>>
>>
>>
>> We're one community (or want to be).  Could we just have one mailing
>> list per type of discussion (dev and user)?  All the cross-posting and
>> cross-monitoring is tedious.  I don't care whether we keep scipy-* or
>> numpy-* lists, but is there a functional reason to have four lists?
>> Consider that soon we may have *-doc, *-newbie, *-announce, and others
>> as well, if this takes off like we all hope.  If the developers want
>> separate lists because some are only working on one of the two
>> packages, I can see that argument (in the future if not now).  I don't
>> see a need for two user lists, unless perhaps sorted by high and low
>> traffic.
>>
>> I propose we either drop the numpy-* lists (if subscribers there
>> agree), or leave them for ongoing discussion of the legacy packages,
>> and discourage discussion of the new numpy/scipy there.
>>
>> Ok, flame me.
>
>
> Uh, no.  I'm actually with you on this one: I just don't think we are 
> a large enough group to warrant the existence of separate numpy- and 
> scipy- lists, especially when the overlap in topics is so high.  Every 
> scipy user is, by necessity, a numpy user as well.
>
> I think that, IF in the future:
>
> 1. the traffic on the scipy- lists becomes enormous, AND
>
> 2. a significant portion of that traffic is for users of numpy as a 
> pure array library with no scientific concerns (if it really becomes a 
> popular 'data exchange' system for Python-and-C libraries),
>
> THEN we can consider resuscitating the numpy lists.
>
> For now, I vote on leaving them dormant, and moving all 
> numeric(abandoned), numarray(maintenance-transition) and numpy/scipy 
> (new development) discussion to the scipy-* lists.  I don't think the 
> occasional post about Numeric or numarray is a major concern (at least 
> it doesn't bother me).
>
> It is an issue also of friendliness to newbies: I'd like to tell 
> newcomers "for information and discussion, just join scipy-user and 
> matplotlib-user, and you should be set on all numerics and plotting in 
> python".  Telling them to subscribe to, or monitor via gmane, 8 
> different lists is annoying.
>
> Cheers,
>
> f
>
It seems to me that NumPy is the better way to go, the archives and 
downloads are more readily available there, but it's up to Todd Miller 
and the folk who have been maintaining NumPy.

NumPy has been around for a while, probably longer than SciPy.

Colin W.




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