[Numpy-discussion] Release of NumPy
Wed Apr 16 04:14:42 CDT 2008
On 16/04/2008, Stéfan van der Walt <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On 16/04/2008, Alan G Isaac <email@example.com> wrote:
> > > The whole issue occurs because a Matrix is not a proper
> > > container.
> > Right. And *that* is the case because of the attempt to
> > treat matrices as containers of matrices instead of as
> > containers of 1d arrays.
> > I can see no real advantage to having matrices be containers
> > of row vectors instead. A row vector would just be a matrix
> > (i.e., essentially 2d) that allowed 1d style indexing.
> > Again I ask, have you ever needed such a thing?
> In the Matrix world, there is no such thing as an (N,) array -- which
> is why the current Matrix object behaves so strangely, and always
> returns a result with ndim > 1.
> Your proposal suggests that a Matrix be a container of arrays, but it
> does not address the slicing of column vectors, i.e.
> would then behave in completely different ways, whereas with ndarrays
> they don't.
> If you modified the proposal to say "any slicing operation that
> returns a (1,N) or (N,1) matrix should now return an (N,) ndarray", it
> would be more consistent, but then, wouldn't that break some other
> expected behaviour? I thought one of the powerful features of a
> matrix is that it preserves the orientation of a vector slice?
> The only way I've seen so far to have consistent slicing, is to have
> an N-dim Matrix object be a container of N-1 dim Matrices, up to the
> 2-D case, in which it becomes a container of Vectors which, in turn,
> contain scalars.
I don't think of arrays as containers of anything but scalars, so I
find this whole argument from intuition extremely strange.
My (draconian) suggestion would be to simply raise an exception when a
matrix is indexed with a scalar. They're inherently two-dimensional;
if you want a submatrix you should provide both indices (possibly
including a ":"). If you actually want a subarray, as with an array,
That said, I don't actually use matrices, so I don't get a vote.
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