[Numpy-discussion] Openmp support (was numpy's future (1.1 and beyond): which direction(s) ?)

David Cournapeau david@ar.media.kyoto-u.ac...
Sun Mar 23 07:53:29 CDT 2008


Francesc Altet wrote:
>
> Why not?  IMHO, complex operations requiring a great deal of operations 
> per word, like trigonometric, exponential, etc..., are the best 
> candidates to take advantage of several cores or even SSE instructions 
> (not sure whether SSE supports this sort of operations, though).

I was talking about the general "using openmp" thing in numpy context. 
If it was just adding one line at one place in the source code, someone 
would already have done it, no ? But there are build issues, for 
example: you have to add support for openmp at compilation and link, you 
have to make sure it works with compilers which do not support it.

Even without taking into account the build issues, there is the problem 
of correctly annotating the source code depending on the context. For 
example, many interesting places where to use openmp in numpy would need 
more than just using the "parallel for" pragma. From what I know of 
openMP, the annotations may depend on the kind of operation you are 
doing (independent element-wise operations or not). Also, the test case 
posted before use a really big N, where you are sure that using 
multi-thread is efficient. What happens if N is small ? Basically, the 
posted test is the best situation which can happen (big N, known 
operation with known context, etc...). That's a proof that openMP works, 
not that it can work for numpy.

I find the example of sse rather enlightening: in theory, you should 
expect a 100-300 % speed increase using sse, but even with pure C code 
in a controlled manner, on one platform (linux + gcc), with varying, 
recent CPU, the results are fundamentally different. So what would 
happen in numpy, where you don't control things that much ?

cheers,

David


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