[Numpy-discussion] Wanted: new release manager for 1.5 and above

Charles R Harris charlesr.harris@gmail....
Fri Jan 15 23:12:21 CST 2010


On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Cournapeau <cournape@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Ralf Gommers
> <ralf.gommers@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Here are some questions to get a clearer idea of exactly what's involved
> in
> > / required for making a release.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:34 PM, David Cournapeau <david@silveregg.co.jp
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Charles R Harris wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What is the setup one needs to build the installers? It might be well
> to
> >> > document that, the dependencies, and the process.
> >>
> >> Right. The top script is:
> >> http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/browser/trunk/release.sh
> >>
> >> the bulk of the work is in :
> >> http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/browser/trunk/pavement.py
> >>
> >> which describes what is needed to build installers. On mac os x, the
> >> release script may be used as is to build every installer + the release
> >> notes.
> >>
> >
> > Is it necessary to have OS X to build the dmg installer, or could you
> build
> > that from linux with some modifications to the build script?
>
> You cannot cross compile python extensions, so you have to build
> installer on each platform. Mac Os X is the most practical because you
> can build windows installers under wine, so you can build both mac and
> windows installers from the same machine.
>
> The paver script + the shell script can build everything in one step
> thanks to this.
>
> >
> > How many combinations do you test manually? All supported Python versions
> on
> > all platforms? Several Linux flavors?
>
> I basically assume that linux works once the branch is stabilized, if
> only because that's what most developers use. It is important to test
> on the oldest supported python (2.4) and both 32 and 64 bits, though
> (especially python 2.4 on 64 bits).
>
> I never test the installers - this is too much work manually. Ideally,
> this should be done on a build/test farm.
>
> > For someone new to packaging, how much time would you estimate it takes
> to
> > do a single release? Is most of this time spent testing, or fixing the
> > problems you find during testing?
>
> Most of the time is spent on fixing build issues which crop up during
> the beta phase. I found difficult to enforce a strict policy on not
> changing anything unless critical once in the beta phase. I think we
> should improve things in that aspect, and go away from the "but this
> is a small fix" mentality - maybe using something like for the linux
> kernel, with merge windows, etc... I secretly hope that if we can
> regularly change release managers, it will give a sense of why this is
> good policy :)
>
> I feel that we have improved things quite a bit since I have started
> doing releases: the binary installers are more stable, and build are
> mostly automated now. The next step would be automated testing of the
> binary installers (in particular testing new numpy against scipy,
> etc...), but this is quite a bit of work.
>
> Having a stricter time-based policy would be good as well.
>
> > Do you have an idea about when to start preparing for the release of
> 1.4.1?
>
> The cython thing is the most problematic bug, and should be fixed
> ASAP. I am still not sure whether that would require both a numpy
> 1.4.1 and a scipy 0.7.1.1 (built against numpy 1.3.0).
>
>
Speaking of the cython thing, do you know if the last release of cython
(0.12) fixes that problem?

Chuck
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