[Numpy-discussion] Fortran was dead ... [was Re: rewriting NumPy code in C or C++ or similar]

Sturla Molden sturla@molden...
Tue Mar 15 08:45:26 CDT 2011


Den 14.03.2011 23:10, skrev Matthieu Brucher:
>
> Intel Fortran is an excellent Fortran compiler. Why is Fortran still 
> better than C and C++?
> - some rules are different, like arrays passed to functions are ALWAYS 
> supposed to be independent in Fortran, whereas in C, you have to add a 
> restrict keyword
> - due to the last fact, Fortran is a language where its compiler could 
> do more work (vectorization, autoparallelization...)

Fortran 90 (and later) has a big room for "autovectorization" but it not 
mainly due to aliasing rules. Where, forall, array i/o, pure and 
elemental functions, intrisic funtiouns etc. are more important. 
Aliasing rules can also be controlled in ANSI C or C++: g++ will 
recognize __restrict__, MSVC will recognise __restrict, and MSVC has 
compiler pragmans, etc.,


> Nevertheless, when you know C++ correctly, when you want to do 
> something really efficient, you don't use Fortran. You can be as 
> efficient as in C++, and you can do fancy stuff (I/O, network...). 
> Class and templates are also better supported in C++.

You can get supernaturally fast i/o on Windows if you use Windows' i/o 
ports and tune the C-kode. But small Fortran statements (open, close, 
read, wite) will almost always do the same job. What is fast, and what 
is fast enough?

C++ templates maks binaries almost impossible to debug.

Sturla









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