[Numpy-discussion] YouTrack testbed

Ralf Gommers ralf.gommers@googlemail....
Thu Apr 12 11:43:00 CDT 2012


On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM, David Cournapeau <cournape@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers@googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Bryan Van de Ven <bryanv@continuum.io>wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/3/12 4:18 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>>> > Here some first impressions.
>>> >
>>> > The good:
>>> > - It's responsive!
>>> > - It remembers my preferences (view type, # of issues per page, etc.)
>>> > - Editing multiple issues with the command window is easy.
>>> > - Search and filter functionality is powerful
>>> >
>>> > The bad:
>>> > - Multiple projects are supported, but issues are then really mixed.
>>> > The way this works doesn't look very useful for combined admin of
>>> > numpy/scipy trackers.
>>> > - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
>>> > the one-line issue overview.
>>> > - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
>>> > issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers.
>>> > - Plain text attachments (.txt, .diff, .patch) can't be viewed, only
>>> > downloaded.
>>> > - No direct VCS integration, only via Teamcity (not set up, so can't
>>> > evaluate).
>>> > - No useful default views as in Trac
>>> > (http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/report).
>>>
>>> Ralf,  regarding some of the issues:
>>>
>>
>> Hi Bryan, thanks for looking into this.
>>
>>>
>>> I think for numpy/scipy trackers, we could simply run separate instances
>>> of YouTrack for each.
>>
>>
>> That would work. It does mean that there's no maintenance advantage over
>> using Trac here.
>>
>> Also we can certainly create some standard
>>> queries. It's a small pain not to have useful defaults, but it's only a
>>> one-time pain. :)
>>>
>>
>> That should help.
>>
>>
>>> Also, what kind of integration are you looking for with github? There
>>> does appear to be the ability to issue commands to youtrack through git
>>> commits, which does not depend on TeamCity, as best I can tell:
>>>
>>> http://confluence.jetbrains.net/display/YTD3/GitHub+Integration
>>> http://blogs.jetbrains.com/youtrack/tag/github-integration/
>>>
>>> I'm not sure this is what you were thinking about though.
>>>
>>
>> That does help. The other thing that's useful is to reference commits
>> (like commit:abcd123 in current Trac) and have them turned into links to
>> commits on Github. This is not a showstopper for me though.
>>
>>>
>>> For the other issues, Maggie or I can try and see what we can find out
>>> about implementing them, or working around them, this week.
>>>
>>
>> I'd say that from the issues I mentioned, the biggest one is the one-line
>> view. So these two:
>>
>>   - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
>>     the one-line issue overview.
>>   - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
>>     issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers.
>>
>>
>>> Of course, we'd like to evaluate any other viable issue trackers as
>>>
>>> well. Do you have any suggestions for other systems besides YouTrack?
>>>
>>
>> David wrote up some issues (some of which I didn't check) with current
>> Trac and looked at Redmine before. He also mentioned Roundup. See
>> http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/wiki/ImprovingIssueWorkflow
>>
>> Redmine does look good from a quick browse (better view, does display
>> diffs). It would be good to get the opinions of a few more people on this
>> topic.
>>
>
> Redmine is "trac on RoR", but it solves two significant issues over trac:
>   - mass edit (e.g. moving things to a new mileston is simple and doable
> from the UI)
>   - REST API by default, so that we can build simple command line tools on
> top of it (this changed since I made the wiki page)
>
> It is a PITA to install, though, at least if you are not familiar with
> ruby, and I heard it is hard to manage as well.
>

Thanks, that's a clear description of pros and cons. It's also easy to play
with Redmine at demo.redmine.org. That site allows you to set up a new
project and try the admin interface.

My current list of preferences is:

1. Redmine (if admin overhead is not unreasonable)
2. Trac with performance issues solved
3. Github
4. YouTrack
5. Trac with current performance

Ralf
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