[Numpy-discussion] YouTrack testbed
Thu Apr 12 15:05:12 CDT 2012
This looks good. Maggie and Bryan are now setting up a Redmine instance to try out how hard that is to administer. I have some experience with Redmine and have liked what I've seen in the past. I think the user experience that Ralf is providing feedback on is much more important than how hard it is to administer.
NumFocus will dedicate resources to administer the system.
On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM, David Cournapeau <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Ralf Gommers <email@example.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Bryan Van de Ven <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On 4/3/12 4:18 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
> > Here some first impressions.
> > The good:
> > - It's responsive!
> > - It remembers my preferences (view type, # of issues per page, etc.)
> > - Editing multiple issues with the command window is easy.
> > - Search and filter functionality is powerful
> > The bad:
> > - Multiple projects are supported, but issues are then really mixed.
> > The way this works doesn't look very useful for combined admin of
> > numpy/scipy trackers.
> > - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
> > the one-line issue overview.
> > - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
> > issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers.
> > - Plain text attachments (.txt, .diff, .patch) can't be viewed, only
> > downloaded.
> > - No direct VCS integration, only via Teamcity (not set up, so can't
> > evaluate).
> > - No useful default views as in Trac
> > (http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/report).
> Ralf, regarding some of the issues:
> Hi Bryan, thanks for looking into this.
> I think for numpy/scipy trackers, we could simply run separate instances
> of YouTrack for each.
> That would work. It does mean that there's no maintenance advantage over using Trac here.
> Also we can certainly create some standard
> queries. It's a small pain not to have useful defaults, but it's only a
> one-time pain. :)
> That should help.
> Also, what kind of integration are you looking for with github? There
> does appear to be the ability to issue commands to youtrack through git
> commits, which does not depend on TeamCity, as best I can tell:
> I'm not sure this is what you were thinking about though.
> That does help. The other thing that's useful is to reference commits (like commit:abcd123 in current Trac) and have them turned into links to commits on Github. This is not a showstopper for me though.
> For the other issues, Maggie or I can try and see what we can find out
> about implementing them, or working around them, this week.
> I'd say that from the issues I mentioned, the biggest one is the one-line view. So these two:
> - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in
> the one-line issue overview.
> - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open
> issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers.
> Of course, we'd like to evaluate any other viable issue trackers as
> well. Do you have any suggestions for other systems besides YouTrack?
> David wrote up some issues (some of which I didn't check) with current Trac and looked at Redmine before. He also mentioned Roundup. See http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/wiki/ImprovingIssueWorkflow
> Redmine does look good from a quick browse (better view, does display diffs). It would be good to get the opinions of a few more people on this topic.
> Redmine is "trac on RoR", but it solves two significant issues over trac:
> - mass edit (e.g. moving things to a new mileston is simple and doable from the UI)
> - REST API by default, so that we can build simple command line tools on top of it (this changed since I made the wiki page)
> It is a PITA to install, though, at least if you are not familiar with ruby, and I heard it is hard to manage as well.
> Thanks, that's a clear description of pros and cons. It's also easy to play with Redmine at demo.redmine.org. That site allows you to set up a new project and try the admin interface.
> My current list of preferences is:
> 1. Redmine (if admin overhead is not unreasonable)
> 2. Trac with performance issues solved
> 3. Github
> 4. YouTrack
> 5. Trac with current performance
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