[SciPy-dev] GSoC weekly report
Sat Jul 7 01:34:21 CDT 2007
Alan G Isaac wrote:
> This is drifting OT, but I will add one comment, since many students may face such situations.
> You are mixing together a few different issues.
> 1. What will you spend your time on.
> 2. How will it benefit you.
> 3. How will it benefit them.
> 4. Will they pay you.
> Alan Isaac
However, they (especially chief) doesn't believe in languages like
python at all and don't respect them. In whole department only 2-3
persons know something different from C/Fortran (afaik they had deal
with MATLAB, in SolvOpt project).
Chief says "there were LOTS of languages, but Fortran is the most
powerfull, it's faster than C++ in a factor of 5 or so and faster than C
in a factor of 1.5-2! (however, I found these numbers too far from real,
maybe the custom benchmark written in our department was too special).
All serious organizations that I had contacted with use either Fortran
or C/C++. And Fortran recently have implemented all features that are
needed - garbage collection, object-oriented programming etc" (I guess
he means f2003 or f95 standards). I had explained them that numpy has
compiled C/fortran libraries as atlas, blas, lapack but still they don't
believe in python (as interpreter language).
What about name, they said "so we must each time explain to everyone
that OpenOpt and scikits.optimize is the same? How scikits.optimize
users will know that scikits.optimize is same as OpenOpt? We see no
>It is still the case that many businesses have trouble understanding how paying some staff work on free and open source software can be profitable to the company. There a many ways this can work, and it is likely to be very firm specific.
All our department software and other solutions are opensourse, and they
perfectly understand opensourse community, licenses, etc.
But, as I have already mentioned, they doesn't accept Python seriously,
as well as MATLAB. They have spent lots of years working with Fortran
(or some with C/C++) and lots of them have some years left before
retirement, so they certainly will not switch to any other lang.
BTW it was THEY who proved me to remain in opensourse sector when I
proposed them collaborating with TOMLAB (tomopt.com).
So, if I will mention anything about opensourse, they will just answer
me "OK, here are some our (fortran/c) projects, they are fully
opensourse - you can freely copy, spread, modify them, etc" (however,
the salaries are significantly smaller there, despite they have some
grants from abroad).
If you have the dual goals
> - would like to work with these people, and
> - would like to work on FOSS not just as a hobby
>then they will need to understand how your FOSS work can be
>good for them.
The work on scikits package can't give them anything, because I just
implement in Python some code, that had already been written in Fortran
(or C) by our dept or ASAI or other our dept patrners. And they have no
intentions to switch to python from fortran. they say "who knows, maybe
3-4 years later all your numpy/scipy/scikits will become unused (other
language will appear, like fortress, or Python/scipy will be suppressed
by Ruby/Rnum (ruby numerical library)), and several years will spent for
nothing. Also, the type of work (implementing solvers and working on OO
Kernel) will not yield you any scientific results, you do the same
things that had been already done long time ago".
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