[SciPy-dev] change print statements to print functions in docstrings
Sat Aug 15 20:39:49 CDT 2009
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:27 PM, David Goldsmith<firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> I'm sorry, I honestly didn't foresee my comments touching such a nerve; really now, turning this thread into a debate on the merits of IPython - well, that really should be a separate thread (at the very least), IMHO. :-)
I'm not discussing the merits of IPython, editors and shells are
mostly a taste question, and it's pretty useless to argue about taste.
There are users that like Eclipse and Idle and Spyder, and there are
users who like the commandline, Vims and Emacs and other things that I
only ever read about in newsgroups but never seen in real life. And
there are lots if others ....
I just wanted a rough idea of how "lonely" I am as one of the few
known Windows users. But we are pretty well treated with installers
and htmlhelp. (thanks to David and Pauli)
> --- On Sat, 8/15/09, email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> From: email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> Subject: Re: [SciPy-dev] change print statements to print functions in docstrings
>> To: "SciPy Developers List" <email@example.com>
>> Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 5:34 PM
>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:09 PM,
>> Robert Kern<firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 18:05, David Goldsmith<email@example.com>
>> >> --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Gael Varoquaux <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> >>> But how does this fit with the fact that
>> people using
>> >>> IPython are seeing
>> >>> this change (I believe that's the third time I
>> ask the
>> >> I don't know: how universally used is IPython?
>> I'm only installing it now on account of the tutorials;
>> otherwise, so far, I've seen no need to and probably
>> wouldn't, but am in the minority? I honestly don't know
>> (and suspect that no one has the global usage statistics to
>> say for sure). In other words, are we going to let the
>> "problems" arising in one specialty package govern the
>> behavior for the baseline library?
>> > It's not universal (nothing is), but it is immensely
>> popular among our
>> > install-base. You see no need for it *now*, but just
>> wait until you've
>> > taken it out for a spin for a while.
>> > Its features are important to consider sometimes. For
>> example, some of
>> > the decisions about the formatting of the
>> documentation (particularly
>> > readable plaintext math) were driven by the large use
>> of IPython's "?"
>> > feature for reading docstrings (the builtin help() is
>> similar in
>> > functionality but more cumbersome; I doubt I would
>> have been as
>> > insistent about readable plaintext if the alternatives
>> were just
>> > reading the HTML and help()).
>> > However, I don't think incidental bugs in IPython
>> should drive design choices.
>> > --
>> > Robert Kern
>> Just out of curiosity, do you have a rough guesstimate on
>> the fraction
>> on Windows users in the install base, and if a sizable
>> fraction of
>> them is using ipython?
>> At least on the mailing list, Windows users seem to be a
>> minority, but that could also be a strong selection bias.
>> I'm one of the silent minority that never got friendly with
>> even after several tries.
>> > "I have come to believe that the whole world is an
>> enigma, a harmless
>> > enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to
>> interpret it as
>> > though it had an underlying truth."
>> > -- Umberto Eco
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