[SciPy-Dev] chi-square test for a contingency (R x C) table
josef.pktd@gmai...
josef.pktd@gmai...
Thu Jun 17 12:24:40 CDT 2010
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Bruce Southey <bsouthey@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/17/2010 10:45 AM, josef.pktd@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Bruce Southey <bsouthey@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 06/17/2010 09:50 AM, josef.pktd@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Warren Weckesser
> <warren.weckesser@enthought.com> wrote:
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> Bruce Southey wrote:
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> On 06/16/2010 11:58 PM, Warren Weckesser wrote:
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> The feedback in this thread inspired me to generalize my original code
> to the n-way test of independence. I have attached the revised code to
> a new ticket:
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> http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/ticket/1203
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> More feedback would be great!
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> Warren
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> The handling for a one way table is wrong:
> >>>print 'One way', chisquare_nway([6, 2])
> (0.0, 1.0, 0, array([ 6., 2.]))
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> It should also do the marginal independence tests.
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> As I explained in the description of the ticket and in the docstring,
> this function is not intended for doing the 'one-way' goodness of fit.
> stats.chisquare should be used for that. Calling chisquare_nway with a
> 1D array amounts to doing a test of independence between groupings but
> only giving a single grouping, hence the trivial result. This is
> intentional.
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> In expected-nway, you say that "While this function can handle a 1D
> array," but clearly it does not handle it correctly.
> If it was your intention not to do one way tables, then you *must* check
> the input and reject one way tables!
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> I guess the question is: should there be a "clever" chi-square function
> that figures out what the user probably wants to do?
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> My issue is that the chi-squared test statistic is still calculated in
> exactly the same way for n-way tables where n>0. So it is pure
> unnecessary duplication of functionality if you require a second
> function for the one way table. I also prefer the one-stop shopping approach
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> just because it's chisquare doesn't mean it's the same kind of tests.
> This is a test for independence or association that only makes sense
> if there are at least two random variables.
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> Wrong!
> See for example:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson's_chi-square_test
> "Pearson's chi-square is used to assess two types of comparison: tests of
> goodness of fit and tests of independence."
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> The exact same test statistic is being calculated just that the hypothesis
> is different (which is the user's problem not the function's problem). So
> please separate the hypothesis from the test statistic.
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> np.corrcoef(np.arange(5))
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> 1
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> the equivalent function in R is summary(xtab(...)) not chisquare
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> I think you have the wrong function because corrcoef "Return correlation
> coefficients" which is R's cor function.
> What is xtab? It is not an R function perhaps someone's R package.
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> I don't like mixing shoes and apples.
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> Then please don't.
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> I would have expected the conversion of the input into an array in the
> chisquare_nway function. If the input is is not an array, then there is
> a potential bug waiting to happen because you expect numpy to correctly
> compute the observed minus expected. For example, if the input is a list
> then it relies on numpy doing a list minus a ndarray. It is also
> inefficient in the sense that you have to convert the input twice (once
> for the expected values and once for the observed minus expected
> calculation.
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> I was going to put in something like table = np.asarray(table), but then
> I noticed that, since `expected` had already been converted to an array,
> the calculation worked even if `table` was a list. E.g.
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> In [4]: chisquare_nway([[10,10],[5,25]])
> Out[4]:
> (6.3492063492063489,
> 0.011743382301172606,
> 1,
> array([[ 6., 14.],
> [ 9., 21.]]))
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> But I will put in the conversion--that will make it easier to do a few
> other sanity checks on the input before trying to do any calculations.
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> You can also get interesting errors with a string input
> where the reason may not be obvious:
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> >>>print 'twoway', chisquare_nway([['6', '2'], ['4', '11']])
> File "chisquare_nway.py", line 132, in chisquare_nway
> chi2 = ((table - expected)**2 / expected).sum()
> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for -: 'list' and 'numpy.ndarray'
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> I don't recall how np.asarray handles very large numbers but I would
> also suggest an optional dtype argument instead of forcing float64 dtype:
> "table = np.asarray(table, dtype=np.float64)"
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> Sure, I can add that.
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> the table values are integers and I don't think there can be a problem
> with float64.
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> If we start to add dtype arguments in stats function, then we might
> need more checking where and whether it's really relevant.
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> Josef
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> Any time an operation uses summation, there will be the potential for
> overflow that can be very serious for certain numerical types such as
> integers. Consequently, numpy provides an optional dtype in accumulation
> related functions like sum and mean. This avoids a user having to change
> the input from a lower precision to a higher precision thus mitigating
> the overflow problem. Thus, if a function uses say numpy's sum or
> variance, adding the dtype option is free protection.
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> That's true in general, but is there a contingency table where
> overflow would ever occur at float64 or where there would be a
> significant loss of precision?
> My suspicion for this case is that a dtype argument just creates noise.
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> Josef
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> Please do not mix 'precision' with 'overflow' as these are not same issue:
> http://steve.hollasch.net/cgindex/coding/ieeefloat.html
> "Overflow means that values have grown too large for the representation."
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> The way the expected values are computed involves summation so it can occur
> for large dimensions with large values in it.
>>>> np.sum([10000000000000]*1000000)
> -8446744073709551616
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> Obviously avoidable if your OS supports higher precision (but that is indeed
> noise when the system does not support higher precision)
>>>> np.sum([10000000000000]*1000000, dtype=np.float128)
> 10000000000000000000.0
since Warren converts to float
33 table = np.asarray(table, dtype=np.float64)
there is never an integer sum, so integer overflow is converted to a
possible precision problem
>>> np.sum([10000000000000]*1000000, dtype=np.float64)
1e+019
If there were gigantic contingency tables
reduce(np.multiply, margins)
could be replaced by exp(sum(log(...))
Josef
Josef
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> Bruce
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> In expected_nway(), you could prestore a variable with the 'range(d)'
> although the saving is little for small tables.
> Also, I would like to remove the usage of set() in the loop.
> If k=2:
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> >>> list(set(range(d))-set([k]))
> [0, 1, 3, 4]
> >>> rd=range(5) #which would be outside the loop
> >>> [ elem for elem in rd if elem != k ]
> [0, 1, 3, 4]
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> Looks good--I'll make that change.
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> Bruce
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