[SciPy-user] Arrayfns in numpy?
Wed Mar 7 06:00:27 CST 2007
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 Travis Oliphant wrote:
>That is generally what we believe as well. The problem is that Numeric
>already included several additional features. Trying to maintain some
>semblance of backward compatibility is why NumPy has not shrunk even more.
>Because the interp function was already in Numeric and is not that big,
>perhaps it should be added to NumPy.
I just realized I have been struggling to install scipy, as it turns
out, just to use an interpolation function. I usually try to minimize
dependencies for anything I plan to distribute to others. My current
experience seems to support arguments for both sides on whether to add
interpolation to numpy.
As I see it there are three useful levels of array functionality.
First, python itself should ideally allow for handling array objects
with ease and efficiency, and promote "...one way to do it..." as per
python dogma. Hopefully ndarray added to the standard library will
make this more of a reality some day.
Second there are common math functions and manipulations over arrays
that are potentially useful for pedestrian as well as esoteric
applications. Sin, cos, basic integration and differentiation,
matrix and vector math, simple statistics, etc., are all reasonably
within this category. Hobbyist game programmers as well as scientists
can use them. Basic 1d and perhaps 2d interpolation are also within
this level of functionality in my opinion. The capabilities and the
API need to be stable and extremely reliable. Numpy today provides a
relatively rich and efficient package with many of these features and
There is no hard cutoff but obscure (to me) probability distributions,
simulation frameworks, image processing functions named after a living
person, field-specific packages, etc, are all wonderful to have when
you need them but are best suited for the third level of
functionality, scipy. Sophisticated packages will have dependencies
and might be updated often or have API changes as capabilities evolve.
It makes sense to isolate this from the more generic and stable
features in numpy.
Included in numpy for the important practical goal of backward
compatibility are objects like, I would guess, numpy.kaiser and others
that don't seem to fit well the stated divisions. If interpolation is
in Numeric then numpy is at least deserving of a compatibility
function. But as a user without legacy requirements I would prefer
one designed for numpy and for future applications.
The other aspect of the argument concerns the dependency issue. I
have not been able to use the scipy.interpolate module because of what
appears to be some dependency that I can't resolve. I certainly don't
want the problem moved to numpy and I sympathize very much with "less
is more" arguments in this respect. So I would like to have available
basic interpolation features in numpy if the functions can be added
without adding new dependencies. In general I don't see a problem
with adding select numerical features if it is done carefully and with
costs/benefits of the whole package in mind.
+1 interpolation for numpy,
-1 new dependencies for numpy,
+1 balanced practical approach to adding numpy features
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