[SciPy-User] scipy.optimize named argument inconsistency

Christoph Deil deil.christoph@googlemail....
Mon Sep 5 09:55:33 CDT 2011


On Sep 5, 2011, at 2:23 PM, josef.pktd@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Matthew Newville
> <matt.newville@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On Friday, September 2, 2011 1:31:46 PM UTC-5, Denis Laxalde wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> (I'm resurrecting an old post.)
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:54:39 +0800, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Joon Ro <joon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I just found that for some functions such as fmin_bfgs, the argument
>>>>> name
>>>>> for the objective function to be minimized is f, and for others such
>>>>> as
>>>>> fmin, it is func.
>>>>> I was wondering if this was intended, because I think it would be
>>>>> better to
>>>>> have consistent argument names across those functions.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It's unlikely that that was intentional. A patch would be welcome.
>>>> "func"
>>>> looks better to me than "f" or "F".
>>> 
>>> There are still several inconsistencies in input or output of functions
>>> in the optimize package. For instance, for input parameters the Jacobian
>>> is sometimes name 'fprime' or 'Dfun', tolerances can be 'xtol' or
>>> 'x_tol', etc. Outputs might be returned in a different order, e.g.,
>>> fsolve returns 'x, infodict, ier, mesg' whereas leastsq returns 'x,
>>> cov_x, infodict, mesg, ier'. Some functions make use of the infodict
>>> output whereas some return the same data individually. etc.
>>> 
>>> If you still believe (as I do) that consistency of optimize
>>> functions should be improved, I can work on it. Let me know
>> 
>> Also +1.
>> 
>> I would add that the call signatures and return values for the user-supplied
>> function to minimize should be made consistent too.  Currently, some
>> functions (leastsq) requires the return value to be an array, while others
>> (anneal and fmin_l_bfgs_b) require a scalar (sum-of-squares of residual).
>> That seems like a serious impediment to changing algorithms.
> 
> I don't see how that would be possible, since it's a difference in
> algorithm, leastsq needs the values for individual observations (to
> calculate Jacobian), the other ones don't care and only maximize an
> objective function that could have arbitrary accumulation.
> 
> Otherwise I'm also +1.
> It might be a bit messy during deprecation with double names, and
> there remain different arguments depending on the algorithm, e.g.
> constraints or not, and if constraints which kind, objective value and
> derivative in one function or in two.
> 
> Josef
> 

+1 on making the input and output of the scipy optimizer routines more uniform.

I have one additional, somewhat related question to the leastsq issue Matt mentioned:
How can I compute the covariance matrix for a likelihood fit using the routines in scipy.optimize?

As far as I see the only method that returns a covariance matrix (or results from with it is easy to compute the covariance matrix) are leastsq and curve_fit. The problem with these is that they take a residual vector chi and internally compute  chi2 = (chi**2).sum() and minimize that. But for a likelihood fit the quantity to be minimized is logL.sum(), i.e. no squaring is required, so as far as I can see it is not possible to do a likelihood fit with leastsq and curve_fit.

On the other hand as Matt pointed out most (all) other optimization methods (like e.g. fmin) don't do this squaring and summing internally, but the user function does it if one is doing a chi2 fit, so using these it is easy to do a likelihood fit. But it is not possible to get parameter errors because these other optimizers don't return a Hessian or covariance matrix.

It would be nice if there were a method in scipy.optimize to compute the covariance matrix for all optimizers.
And it would be nice if the super-fast Levenberg-Marquard optimizer called by leastsq were also available for likelihood fits.

Maybe it would be possible to add one method to scipy.optimize to compute the covariance matrix after any of the optimizers has run,
i.e. the best-fit pars have been determined?
cov = scipy.optimize.cov(func, pars)

I think this can be done by computing the Hessian via finite differences and then inverting it.
leastsq seems to compute the Hessian from a "Jacobian". This is the part I don't understand, but without going into the details, let me ask this:

Is there something special about the Levenberg-Marquard optimizer that it requires the individual observations?
Or is it just that the current implementation of _minpack._lmdif (which is called by leastsq) was written such that it works this way (i.e. includes a computation of cov_x in addition to x) and it could also be written to take a scalar func like all the other  optimizers?

Christoph








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