[Numpy-discussion] Should bool_ subclass int?
Alan G Isaac
aisaac@american....
Tue Jul 10 09:36:58 CDT 2007
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Timothy Hochberg apparently wrote:
> x*y and x**2 are already decoupled for arrays and matrices. What if x*y was
> simply defined to do a boolean matrix multiply when the arguments are
> boolean matrices?
> I don't care about this that much though, so I'll let it drop.
So if x and y are arrays and you use `dot` you would get
a different result than turning them into matrices and
using `*`? I'd find that pretty odd.
I'd also find it odd that equivalent element-by-element
operations (`+`, `-`) would then return different outcomes
for boolean arrays and boolean matrices. (This is what
I meant by "decoupled".)
This is just a user's perspective.
I do not pretend to see into the design issues.
However, daring to tread where I should not, I
offer two observations:
- matrices and 2-d arrays with dtype 'bool' should
give the same result for "comparable" operations
(where `dot` for arrays compares with `*` for matrices).
- it would be possible to have a new class, say `boolmat`,
that implements the expected behavior for boolen matrices
and then make matrices and arrays of dtype 'bool' behave
in the Python way (e.g., True+True is 2, yuck!). I am
definitely NOT advocating this (I like the current arrangement),
but it is a possibility.
Cheers,
Alan Isaac
PS Here is Guido's justification for bool inheriting from
int (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0285/). It seems
that numpy's current behavior is closer to his "ideal world".
6) Should bool inherit from int?
=> Yes.
In an ideal world, bool might be better implemented as a
separate integer type that knows how to perform mixed-mode
arithmetic. However, inheriting bool from int eases the
implementation enormously (in part since all C code that calls
PyInt_Check() will continue to work -- this returns true for
subclasses of int). Also, I believe this is right in terms of
substitutability: code that requires an int can be fed a bool
and it will behave the same as 0 or 1. Code that requires a
bool may not work when it is given an int; for example, 3 & 4
is 0, but both 3 and 4 are true when considered as truth
values.
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