[Numpy-discussion] Cython issues w/ 1.4.0

Robert Kern robert.kern@gmail....
Tue Dec 8 14:13:17 CST 2009

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38, Pauli Virtanen <pav@iki.fi> wrote:
> ti, 2009-12-08 kello 12:14 -0600, Robert Kern kirjoitti:
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:08, Pauli Virtanen <pav@iki.fi> wrote:
>> > ke, 2009-12-09 kello 02:47 +0900, David Cournapeau kirjoitti:
>> > [clip]
>> >> Of course, this does not prevent from applying your suggested change -
>> >> I don't understand why you want to add it to 1.4.0, though. 1.4.0 does
>> >> not break the ABI compared to 1.3.0. Or is it "just" to avoid the
>> >> cython issue to reappear for 1.5.0 ?
>> >
>> > Yes, it's to avoid having to deal with the Cython issue again in 1.5.0.
>> Do we have any features on deck that would add a struct member? I
>> think it's pretty rare for us to do so, as it should be.
> If we want to support PEP 3118 on Py2.6, then new fields would be
> useful:
> - Python2.6 currently has issues with PyArg_ParseTuple("s#", ...):
>  defining a bf_releasebuffer breaks that particular feature.
>  Consequently, if we want backwards compatibility, we cannot keep track
>  of allocated memory using the Py_buffer structure, so something else
>  is needed.
>  We can probably get this fixed in future Python 2.6/2.7 releases,
>  making it prefer the old buffer interface.  The issue also most likely
>  unfixable on Py3, since "s#" has semantics that are not really
>  compatible with the new buffer interface.
> - We need to cache the buffer protocol format string somewhere,
>  if we do not want to regenerate it on each buffer acquisition.

My suspicion is that YAGNI. I would wait until it is actually in use
and we see whether it takes up a significant amount of time in actual

>> > Although it's not strictly speaking an ABI break, it seems this is a bit
>> > of a nuisance for some people, so if we can work around it cheaply, I
>> > think we should do it.
>> Breaking compatibility via a major reorganization of our structs is not cheap!
> We already break the compatibility in 1.4.0 because of the datetime
> "metadata" field added in the ArrayDescr. Adding an additional field
> reserved for future use at the same time should not cause additional
> breakage. They could come useful later on, even if it turns out we don't
> immediately need them.
> (Or maybe you commented on David's suggestion...)

Yes, I was thinking of that.

I think I might be okay with putting in the placeholder pointer in
1.4.0 in order to reserve the slot for a well-thought-out
implementation in 1.5.

Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless
enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as
though it had an underlying truth."
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