[Numpy-discussion] Announcing toydist, improving distribution and packaging situation

Robert Kern robert.kern@gmail....
Wed Dec 30 13:08:53 CST 2009

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:47, René Dudfield <renesd@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ravi <lists_ravi@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 30 December 2009 06:15:45 René Dudfield wrote:
>>> I agree with many things in that post.  Except your conclusion on
>>> multiple versions of packages in isolation.  Package isolation is like
>>> processes, and package sharing is like threads - and threads are evil!
>> You have stated this several times, but is there any evidence that this is the
>> desire of the majority of users? In the scientific community, interactive
>> experimentation is critical and users are typically not seasoned systems
>> administrators. For such users, almost all packages installed after installing
>> python itself are packages they use. In particular, all I want to do is to use
>> apt/yum to get the packages (or ask my sysadmin, who rightfully has no
>> interest in learning the intricacies of python package installation, to do so)
>> and continue with my work. "Packages-in-isolation" is for people whose job is
>> to run server farms, not interactive experimenters.
> 500+ packages on pypi.   Provide a counter point, otherwise the
> evidence is against your position - overwhelmingly.

Linux distributions, which are much, much more popular than any
collection of packages on PyPI you might care to name. Isolated
environments have their uses, but they are the exception, not the

Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless
enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as
though it had an underlying truth."
  -- Umberto Eco

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