[Numpy-discussion] NumPy SVN broken

Travis Oliphant oliphant@enthought....
Thu Oct 8 06:55:10 CDT 2009

On Oct 7, 2009, at 9:51 PM, David Cournapeau wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Travis Oliphant <oliphant@enthought.com 
> > wrote:
>> I apologize for the mis communication that has occurred here.
> No problem
>>   I did not
>> understand that there was a desire to keep ABI compatibility with  
>> NumPy 1.3
>> when NumPy 1.4 was released.    The datetime merge was made under  
>> that
>> presumption.
>> I had assumed that people would be fine with recompilation of  
>> extension
>> modules that depend on the NumPy C-API.    There are several things  
>> that
>> needed to be done to merge in new fundamental data-types.
>> Why don't we call the next release NumPy 2.0 if that helps things?
>>  Personally, I'd prefer that over hacks to keep ABI compatibility.
> Keeping ABI compatibility by itself is not an hack - the current
> workaround is an hack, but that's only because the current way of
> doing things in code generator is a bit ugly, and I did not want to
> spend too much time on it. It is purely an implementation issue, the
> fundamental idea is straightforward.
> If you want a cleaner solution, I can work on it. I think the hour or
> so that it would take is worth it compared to breaking many people's
> code.

If that's all it would take, then definitely go for it.    I'm not  
sure "breaking people's code" is the right image, though.   It's more  
like "forcing people to upgrade" to take advantage of new features.

Improvements to the encapsulation of the numpy C-API are definitely  
welcome.   They have come a long way from their beginnings in Numeric  
already due to the efforts of you and David Cooke (and I'm sure others  
I'm not as aware of).

The problem I have with spending time on it though is that there is  
still more implementation work to finish on the datetime functionality  
to complete the NEP implementation.      Naturally, I'd like to see  
those improvements made first.  But, time-spent is usually a function  
of how much time it takes to "get-in" to the code, so I won't try to  
distract you if you have a clear idea about how to proceed.


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