[Numpy-discussion] Numpy governance update - was: Updated differences between 1.5.1 to 1.6.1

Matthew Brett matthew.brett@gmail....
Tue Feb 14 19:00:26 CST 2012


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.brett@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Travis Oliphant <travis@continuum.io> wrote:
>>>> When we selected the name NumFOCUS just a few weeks ago, we created the list
>>>> for numfocus and then I signed everyone up for that list who was on the
>>>> other one.      I apologize if anyone felt left out.   That is not my
>>>> intention.
>>> My point is that there are two ways go to about this process, one is
>>> open and the other is closed.  In the open version, someone proposes
>>> such a group to the mailing lists.  They ask for expressions of
>>> interest.  The discussion might then move to another mailing list that
>>> is publicly known and widely advertised.  Members of the board are
>>> proposed in public.  There might be some sort of formal or informal
>>> voting process.  The reason to prefer this to the more informal
>>> private negotiations is that a) the community feels a greater
>>> ownership and control of the process and b) it is much harder to
>>> weaken or subvert an organization that explicitly does all its
>>> business in public.
>> Your points are well taken.   However, my point is that this has been discussed on an open mailing list.   Things weren't *as* open as they could have been, perhaps, in terms of board selection.  But, there was opportunity for people to provide input.
> I am on the numpy, scipy, matplotlib, ipython and cython mailing
> lists.  Jarrod and Fernando are friends of mine.  I've been obviously
> concerned about numpy governance for some time.  I didn't know about
> this mailing list, had only a vague idea that some sort of foundation
> was being proposed and I had no idea at all that you'd selected a
> board.  Would you say that was closer to 'open' or closer to 'closed'?

By the way - I want to be clear - I am not suggesting that I should
have been one of the people involved in these discussions.  If you
were choosing a small number of people to discuss this with, one of
them should not be me.  I am saying that, if I didn't know, it's
reasonable to assume that very few people knew, who weren't being
explicitly told, and that this means that the process was,
effectively, closed.

See you,


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