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perry at stsci.edu
Thu Dec 22 09:50:28 CST 2005
On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Joe Harrington wrote:
> You and Ed came up with similar suggestions (on your first two
> points). Sure, take out the "VERY" and change "like" to "don't mind".
> But, the more you guys argue that this is not a hard install, the more
> you convince me that it is! Arnd, you applied FIVE conditions just to
> make it "pretty clean"! But, the "pretty clean" builds have binary
> installs already, leaving the "not-so-clean" and "decidedly rotten"
> ones for trial by newbies. Recall that this message is going to
> people who have never installed SciPy and never used it! We're not
> talking to list members here, we're talking to the guy that walked
> into my office the other day and said, hey, I hear you know something
> about this free IDL for Python (I cringed). Sure, he's typed "make
> install" a bunch in the past. But, I wouldn't wish a newcore build on
> him, let alone a full build. He's got work to do, and he's more
> likely to walk away from this if it wastes his time than to dig in.
> Is SVN better than tarball? I'll leave that to a developer to say.
> We can change it as the story changes.
I'll second Joe on this issue. My sense is the ususal denizens of
scipy, being comparatively sophisticated (despite proclamations to the
contrary :-) in doing installations, are not aware of how an important
issue this is. I have had many people come to me and say they tried
scipy before and that they gave up trying to install it. When I tell
them that numarray is being replaced with scipy the usual reaction is
of great worry because of the installation issue (I try my best to
convince them that the core will be as easy to install and so forth).
You won't hear from most of these people if they try and fail. They
will just give up and associate bad things with the project. For that
reason I think it is important not to oversell scipy_core to the
general community until it has been beaten on for a while,
installation-wise and shown to be a pretty easy install, and
comparatively stable (seeing weekly updates will scare them quite a bit
I know many are eager to make the switch now, but telling the great
masses to do so too soon will be deadly. We should encourage the
experienced developers to do that now, but not the regular users. I
think we are some months from being ready to do that. Some patience is
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