[SciPy-dev] Some Feedback

Mark Koudritsky kamrik at gmail.com
Sat Nov 12 09:54:15 CST 2005

We don't have to see Trac+Moin as 2 separate systems, which, kind of,
double each other. I would prefer to see it like this:
Trac is a project management system with bug tracking system etc. But
the built in wiki engine is not as mature and feature rich as Moin. So
we can use Trac and use the Moin instead of Trac's native wiki engine
(as a single composite system)

The Ubuntu Linux project does something similar, they use Plone + Moin
+  Malone[1]
[1] Malone: https://launchpad.net/malone  is an interesting bug
tracking *service*

A couple of words in favour of Moin:
1) It has a feature of "subscribing to pages". Whenever a page you
subscribed to is changed, you get an email (which also contains the
added text). It's almost like there is a mailing list attached to
every page in the wiki. This can greatly accelerate things.

2) There is a simple patch for Moin which adds a LaTeX-like math
markup which is displayed as MathML.
Here is an example of a page with math on a student wiki I maintain
for our institute (requires Firefox or MS Explorer+MathPlayer plugin
for MathML rendering)
(MathML has the drawback of poor support by some browsers, but it
seems to improve with time.)

On 11/11/05, Fernando Perez <Fernando.Perez at colorado.edu> wrote:
> Andrew Straw wrote:
> > In addition to Trac, we could consider MoinMoin [1] as the "public face"
> > of scipy.org.  Let me declare immediately that I'm no Trac expert, so if
> > Trac can do all of these things, great, and please ignore this
> > suggestion. Reading the descriptions of Trac on this thread as well as
> > my limited experience as a user is all that I'm going on here.
> I kind of like Andrew's approach on this one, as in a sense it provides at the
> website level an equivalence with the mailing lists:
> Moin site <-> scipy-user list
> Trac site <-> scipy-dev list
> It can also mean that the -user site will have a bit more emphasis on polish
> and information for newcomers, while the Trac one is much more technically
> oriented, and it can be labeled a 'hard hat area'.  As long as both sites'
> front pages prominently indicate their purpose and a link to the other for
> those who end up in the wrong place by accident, this could be a nice solution.
> While it seems like more work (two systems), in fact it may actually be less
> in the long run (as long as moin is very easy to maintain).  Two
> well-separated systems may be less work to manage than one hybrid trying to do
>   two things.
> In addition, this would allow each SVN repo (core/full, which Travis wants to
> keep separate) to maintain its own Trac instance without confusing the users,
> who can gather all the info they want from the unified Moin front.
> Cheers,
> f
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